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| Wow... just 40 odd years ago, the British were the ones leaving equipment behind for us. |
| QUOTE (YourFather @ Dec 5 2008, 07:02 PM) |
| And the UK is not sloppy in its equipment evaluations either… So despite not yet being proven in combat, this is a highly significant order, and it also does give the Bronco an opportunity to prove itself in Afghanistan, an opportunity which would never materialise otherwise. |
| QUOTE (YourFather @ Dec 5 2008, 07:02 PM) |
| But I'm more optimistic - this order did unseat the incumbent despite the Viking already being in UK service. |
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| And the UK is not sloppy in its equipment evaluations either, unlike many other countries. |
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| So despite not yet being proven in combat, this is a highly significant order, and it also does give the Bronco an opportunity to prove itself in Afghanistan, an opportunity which would never materialise otherwise. |
| QUOTE (FIVE-TWO @ Dec 9 2008, 01:55 PM) |
| any one knows what are the advantages of the Bronco ATTC against the BvS, including the latest upgrades? |
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Yes, especially when externally they are pretty similar looking. |
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| Bronco on brink of winning UK's Warthog contract by Tim Ripley (JDW Correspondent) Singapore Technologies (ST) Kinetics appears to be on the verge of securing the British Army as the first export customer for its Bronco armoured all-terrain vehicle (ATV). This comes after UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) procurement officials withdrew from negotiations with BAE Systems Hagglunds in relation to the UK's Warthog requirement. In a statement to Jane's, the MoD said it had narrowed the choice for the Warthog down to a single contractor. "Warthog must be a readily available military off-the-shelf (MOTS) solution, available for delivery of a capability ASAP," the MoD said. "[We] are negotiating with a manufacturer on a potential order to fulfill the Warthog requirement in Afghanistan. Should they be successful, the department will procure 100 vehicles with delivery starting in 2009." Sources close to the Warthog programme team in the MoD confirmed to Jane's that officials had now decided to talk only to the Singapore-based company. Jane's understands that a team from ST Kinetics visited the UK earlier this month to talk to ministry officials and a UK delegation has also visited Singapore to view the vehicle. The aim is to award a contract by the end of the current year. The source said ministry staff were not using the term 'preferred bidder' in relation to ST Kinetics but that it appeared they were no longer looking at purchasing the upgraded variant of the BAE Systems Hagglunds Viking Mk 2 vehicle. "More than one company was looked at but only one company met the requirement," said the source. "The Viking has reached the limit of its capabilities to add on armour and other enhancements. Only one manufacturer fitted the bill when we put down the requirement." The source confirmed that no trials of the Bronco had yet taken place, commenting: "It is too early to talk about trials." BAE Systems told Jane's: "We are offering the Viking Mk 2, which offers proven reliability and maneuverability, as well as the fleet commonality benefits of simplified logistics and training. In addition, Viking Mk 2 has an increased payload of six tonnes and built-in mine protection to at least the same level as the urgent operational requirement mine-protection upgrade we are currently carrying out for the existing Viking fleet." In a comparison document drawn up by BAE Systems and seen by Jane's, the company claims that, although it can only carry eight passengers compared to the Bronco's 10, the Viking Mk 2 is battle-proven in Afghanistan, has demonstrated 88 per cent reliability in theatre and has a proven logistic support system. The Viking Mk 2 also has greater climbing performance and better ability to be upgraded with additional armour, says the report. |
| QUOTE (FIVE-TWO @ Dec 11 2008, 04:03 PM) |
| is the Bronco's higher payload due to lighter chassis, more powerful engine (which presumably is not that difficult to swap out) or some other design advantage? |
| QUOTE (gary1910 @ Dec 11 2008, 03:46 PM) |
| As stated, the Viking has reached it's limit to add on armour probably due to it's lower payload. Since Bronco has a higher payload thus able to have more add on armour as compare to the Viking,obviously one of the major requirement for the Brits in Afganistan deployment & I believe Vikings were found wanting is this respect over there. |
| QUOTE (kotay @ Dec 11 2008, 04:39 PM) |
| The all new, upsized Mk 2 is essentially a different vehicle with stronger built in armour and better payload to handle even more add-on armour ... much like the Bronco. Except that the Bronco is operational while the Viking Mk 2 is still in development phase (till 1Q 2009 earliest) |
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| Development First announced during February 2000, the Singapore Technologies Kinetics (ST Kinetics) BRONCO All Terrain Tracked Carrier (ATTC) is a multipurpose armoured articulated tracked carrier that can be configured to meet a wide range of payload requirements, from personnel or cargo carrier to command post and weapon platform. Development began during 1995. In May 2001, Singapore Technologies Kinetics delivered the first of an undisclosed quantity of BRONCO AATC to the Singapore Armed Forces. The BRONCO AATC has been demonstrated in a number of countries but, as of 2007, there were no export sales. Link |
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| The first prototype Viking vehicles were delivered in June 2001. The vehicles successfully completed an 18 month series of trials in Norway, UK, Sweden and Oman. In Norway the vehicle successfully completed a winter deployment inside the Arctic Circle. Link |
| QUOTE (FIVE-TWO @ Dec 11 2008, 06:08 PM) |
yes I saw many bv206 during Wallaroo 93. I wouldn't really consider it an A vehicle ;) are we still using them? |
| QUOTE (Iowa_BB61 @ Dec 11 2008, 06:16 PM) |
| There is a Bv-206 in SCDF livery at one of their HQ / FS along bukit batok road, not sure how many are given to them though. |
| QUOTE (gary1910 @ Dec 11 2008, 05:59 PM) |
| And both Bronco ATTC & BvS10 was developed about the same time, perhaps Bronco was just slightly earliar. |
| QUOTE (weasel1962 @ Dec 11 2008, 04:55 PM) |
| Slight problem. The Vikg Mk 1 is available but weaker in comparison to the Bronco. The Mk 2 needs development (and in many respects still weaker in comparison to the Bronco). If the UK MoD needs the vehicles soon, the Bronco is the best bet. BVS-10 http://www.baesystems.co.uk/BAEProd/groups...chure_bvs10.pdf Bronco http://www.stengg.com/upload/914WVBGLfb3dh4hGDkd.pdf |
| QUOTE (weasel1962 @ Dec 11 2008, 06:52 PM) |
| Aren't the arthur radars still using the BVS chassis? |
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| Get Ready for the Beast (Source: UK Ministry of Defence; issued Dec. 18, 2008) A beast of a vehicle will be unleashed on operations when MOD converts more than 100 Broncos, from Singapore Technologies Kinetics, into Warthog armoured vehicles for the Armed Forces in Afghanistan. Bronco will arrive in the UK in 2009 to undergo transformation to become the armoured, all-terrain vehicle Warthog replacing the Viking in Afghanistan. Warthog will be powered by a 7.2 litre engine producing 350 bhp and will be able to move through water - all while carrying up to 14 troops. When not in the water, the highly agile, all-terrain vehicle will be able to climb steep gradients, cling to severe side slopes, tackle vertical obstacles and roll across trenches. Minister for Defence, Equipment and Support, Quentin Davies, said: "Warthog will be true to its name as a beast of a vehicle that can manoeuvre across difficult terrain, power-up steep gradients and even cling to slopes. Warthog will provide improved protection to our troops in Afghanistan's green zone, where water and a fragile infrastructure make it difficult for other vehicles to operate. It will be able to move through deep water while carrying troops at the heart of our operations." A protected gun mount, extra armour, specialist electronic counter-measure equipment and communications tools will be added before Warthog is deployed on operations. Warthog will come in four variants - a troop carrier, an ambulance, a command vehicle and a repair and recovery vehicle. The ambulance variant will be capable of carrying casualties, medics and kit. Warthog's repair and recovery variant will be fitted with a crane and winch, and will have the capability of towing another 18-tonne Warthog vehicle back from the front line. President of Singapore Technologies Kinetics, Mr Chee Jhuen Sew, said: "We have been delighted by the close and constructive relationship established between the UK MOD and ST Kinetics. UOR contracts demand speed, openness and trust; that all these have been realised across culture and distance testifies to the professionalism existing within the UK MOD today." More than 100 Bronco vehicles have been bought from Singapore Technologies Kinetics (STK) in a deal that is worth over £150M. BACKGROUND NOTES: 1. The Bronco vehicles from Singapore Technologies Kinetics are just one of a number of Protected Patrol Vehicles that will be bought as part of a £700M package of Urgent Operational Requirements recently announced by the Defence Secretary John Hutton. 2. Bronco will be delivered to the UK in 2009 where it will undergo integration work. 3. The Bronco vehicle is currently in service with the Singaporean Armed Forces. (ends) ST Engineering's Land Systems Arm Awarded £150m Contract by UK MoD for Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carriers (Source: ST Engineering; issued Dec. 18, 2008) SINGAPORE --- Singapore Technologies Engineering Ltd (ST Engineering) today announced that its land systems arm, Singapore Technologies Kinetics Ltd., has been awarded a contract of about £150m (about S$330m) by the UK Ministry of Defence for the supply of Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carriers. Designated as "WARTHOG" by the UK MOD, the vehicles are being procured in response to an Urgent Operational Requirement (UOR). The vehicle deliveries will commence in third quarter 2009, with the majority to be delivered in 2010. This contract is not expected to have any material impact on the consolidated net tangible assets per share and earnings per share of ST Engineering for the current financial year. The WARTHOG is a development of ST Kinetics' Bronco ATTC, a robust, reliable and proven articulated platform with many hundreds in service. The Bronco's articulated design delivers exceptional mobility across a wide range of terrain and climate, and is extensively armoured and highly survivable. Critically, it will give the UK MOD a significant increase in protection against roadside bombs. Bronco will also deliver considerable increases in range, payload and internal capacity over incumbent vehicles currently being used in Afghanistan. Four WARTHOG variants will be built under the contract - Troop Carrier, Ambulance, Command, and Repair & Recovery. "We appreciate the close, flexible and constructive working relationship with ST Kinetics. They are a great company to work with and the Bronco has exceeded our expectations in terms of quality, capability and performance. We are delighted with their product, attitude and the progress jointly made in a very short time indeed," says Simon Cox, Programme Manager, UK MOD. "ST Kinetics is proud that its Bronco ATTC has been selected to serve the UK MOD. With the Bronco, we are now able to provide the UK MOD with a significant increase in combat capability - range, payload, internal capacity and survivability," says SEW Chee Jhuen, President, ST Kinetics. ST Kinetics is the land systems and specialty vehicles arm of ST Engineering. It delivers integrated land systems, specialty vehicles and their related through life support for defence, homeland security and commercial applications. ST Engineering is an integrated engineering group providing solutions and services in the aerospace, electronics, land systems and marine sectors. Headquartered in Singapore, the Group reported revenue of $5.05b in FY2007 and ranks among the largest companies listed on the Singapore Exchange. ST Engineering has more than 19,000 employees worldwide, and over 100 subsidiaries and associated companies in 24 countries and 42 cities. -ends- |
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| ST Engineering's Land Systems Arm Secures £35m 40mm Ammunition Export Contract (Source: ST Engineering; issued December 19, 2008) SINGAPORE --- Singapore Technologies Engineering Ltd (ST Engineering) today announced that its land systems arm, Singapore Technologies Kinetics Ltd (ST Kinetics), has been awarded a contract of about £35m (S$77.2m) by the UK Ministry of Defence (UK MOD) for the supply of 40mm ammunition. The contract was signed with Advanced Material Engineering Pte. Ltd. (AME), a subsidiary of ST Kinetics. Delivery is planned to begin third quarter 2009 and to be completed in first half of 2011. The contract is not expected to have any material impact on the consolidated net tangible assets per share and earnings per share of ST Engineering for the current financial year. The order from UK MOD is for the supply of 40mm High Velocity High Explosive Dual Purpose (HV HEDP) and High Velocity Flash & Bang (HV F&B) rounds. This order for the HV HEDP rounds is a repeat order of the same type announced in February this year and the HV F&B order was won amidst strong competition. ST Kinetics has been supplying 40mm munitions to the UK MOD since 2002. Earlier this year in February, ST Kinetics was awarded a contract worth about S$42.5m by the UK MOD for the supply of HV HEDP 40mm munitions. ST Kinetics is today the world's leading provider of 40mm grenade solutions offering various 40mm grenade launcher weapon systems and an unparalleled range of 40mm munitions including high and low velocity rounds, high explosive munitions, enhanced blast, self-destruct, air bursting, surveillance, insensitive and less-than-lethal rounds. "The repeat order for the HV HEDP munitions affirms the growing confidence of the UK MOD in our family of 40mm munitions and is a great testimony to the standard and quality of our products. We will continue to innovate and provide more value adding 40mm solutions to remain as one of the world's leading 40mm solutions provider." ~ SEW Chee Jhuen, President, ST Kinetics AME is a wholly-owned subsidiary of ST Kinetics. It designs and manufactures conventional and smart munitions, advanced protective materials as well as guided system components. It also provides consultancy, customised training, design and engineering services for homeland security solutions for the defence, government and commercial sectors. ST Kinetics is the land systems and specialty vehicles arm of ST Engineering. It delivers integrated land systems, specialty vehicles and their related through life support for defence, homeland security and commercial applications. ST Engineering is an integrated engineering group providing solutions and services in the aerospace, electronics, land systems and marine sectors. Headquartered in Singapore, the Group reported revenue of $5.05b in FY2007 and ranks among the largest companies listed on the Singapore Exchange. ST Engineering has more than 19,000 employees worldwide, and over 100 subsidiaries and associated companies in 24 countries and 42 cities. -ends- |
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