Title: 2009 PLA military parade
LionFlyer - September 21, 2009 11:20 PM (GMT)
I thought this was very ironic.
If you are wondering why I posted a NRIC, this was displayed by one of the PLA milita's female contingent member when the reporter approach her. Our very own participant!
B)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3wZSwFvZzqM/SrfH...1647c2807e3.jpg
xtemujin - September 22, 2009 12:21 AM (GMT)
A Singapore PR, best of both world.
YourFather - September 22, 2009 12:23 AM (GMT)
Hmm. Loyalty to which country? Something to think about.
Black Aces - September 22, 2009 02:13 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (YourFather @ Sep 22 2009, 08:23 AM) |
| Hmm. Loyalty to which country? Something to think about. |
Well, the DECISION MAKERS on Sing's immigration are in *denial mood*.
P/s the recent espionage case involving a naturalised Chinese American in Boeing who was caught for smuggling military secrets to China and when caught and charged, guess what he said?
"China is my Motherland" and this is someone who left China (whether is a planted Chinese mole is a different question) and became a US citizen. This person should not just be jailed for life but rather should be given Hard Labour until the day he expire. :angry:
kilroy - September 22, 2009 03:02 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (YourFather @ Sep 22 2009, 08:23 AM) |
| Hmm. Loyalty to which country? Something to think about. |
well, similar thing also happens here, we have Malaysian, PRC Chinese, Indonesian PRs serving NS in S'pore.
jamacabre - September 22, 2009 03:13 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (YourFather @ Sep 22 2009, 08:23 AM) |
| Hmm. Loyalty to which country? Something to think about. |
PRship is different from citizenship, loyalties aren't really being called into question are they? Besides, personal identity goes way beyond mere defining of origin and place.
Foxtrout8 - September 22, 2009 05:14 AM (GMT)
Hell will break loose when the picture found its way into Sgforums Speaker's Corner.
Btw lion, where did you get the picture from? thanks.
FIVE-TWO - September 22, 2009 06:43 AM (GMT)
loyalty is by deed, not documentation or definitions.
bdique - September 22, 2009 12:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FIVE-TWO @ Sep 22 2009, 02:43 PM) |
| loyalty is by deed, not documentation or definitions. |
problem is...that's a pretty debatable deed :P
tho frankly okay la...my understanding is that they are hired and the pay is good :blink:
LionFlyer - September 22, 2009 11:55 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Foxtrout8 @ Sep 22 2009, 01:14 PM) |
Hell will break loose when the picture found its way into Sgforums Speaker's Corner.
Btw lion, where did you get the picture from? thanks. |
kanzer - September 23, 2009 12:58 AM (GMT)
the NRIC definitely is PR by looking at the ID number....on the other hand...why so dumb to show her ID all over the place...
ALPHA84 - September 23, 2009 02:20 AM (GMT)
No leh, The NRIC starts with a "S", can't be that for a foreigner rite?
Besides, I am skeptic of the poster in the blog claiming that she is a model and that her duty is to go around showing people her ID. Firstly, why would PLA need to employ a model to show-case and represent their military? Even if they need a poster girl, they most probably would have hired it from within their formation or even within the country, why go through the extra mile to hire someone in SG? Besides, the militia being part of the army, is an institution of war, thus why would PLA need a professional 'model' for this parade, even if they wanted to, why didn't they hire someone more 'Kilat'looking?
If you ask for my honest opinions, this incident is just a classical example of a new immigrant/ expat, rubbing at the social and economical challenges faced by the natives, in the light of the recent large scale exodus of new immigrants. Probably, she is feeling smug and wants to show off that she can easily get citizenship of SG, while still being able to show her loyalty to PRC and that even if any natives were to see this, theres nothing they can do about it, as the govt of SG is a sucker for PRCians, in which they are revered to, like that of god in SG, being called 'FT'everywhere they go.
kanzer - September 23, 2009 02:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ALPHA84 @ Sep 23 2009, 10:20 AM) |
No leh, The NRIC starts with a "S", can't be that for a foreigner rite?
Besides, I am skeptic of the poster in the blog claiming that she is a model and that her duty is to go around showing people her ID. Firstly, why would PLA need to employ a model to show-case and represent their military? Even if they need a poster girl, they most probably would have hired it from within their formation or even within the country, why go through the extra mile to hire someone in SG? Besides, the militia being part of the army, is an institution of war, thus why would PLA need a professional 'model' for this parade, even if they wanted to, why didn't they hire someone more 'Kilat'looking?
If you ask for my honest opinions, this incident is just a classical example of a new immigrant/ expat, rubbing at the social and economical challenges faced by the natives, in the light of the recent large scale exodus of new immigrants. Probably, she is feeling smug and wants to show off that she can easily get citizenship of SG, while still being able to show her loyalty to PRC and that even if any natives were to see this, theres nothing they can do about it, as the govt of SG is a sucker for PRCians, in which they are revered to, like that of god in SG, being called 'FT'everywhere they go. |
no lah...blue ic mah....so definitely PR.... and most probably an ah tiong judging from the name as well
dtwn - September 23, 2009 02:51 AM (GMT)
Pretty sure country of birth also shows China. Note the China at the bottom of the picture.
bdique - September 23, 2009 01:37 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ALPHA84 @ Sep 23 2009, 10:20 AM) |
Besides, I am skeptic of the poster in the blog claiming that she is a model and that her duty is to go around showing people her ID. Firstly, why would PLA need to employ a model to show-case and represent their military? Even if they need a poster girl, they most probably would have hired it from within their formation or even within the country, why go through the extra mile to hire someone in SG? Besides, the militia being part of the army, is an institution of war, thus why would PLA need a professional 'model' for this parade, even if they wanted to, why didn't they hire someone more 'Kilat'looking? |
Can someone who also trawls MP.net help me find the post that shows that they are indeed hired? altho they largely hire thier own civvies...surprised to see that there's a PR in there as well :P
edwin3060 - September 23, 2009 10:28 PM (GMT)
Hmm anyone else noticed what looks like American ACU's on the left? Maybe she was hired (or mobilized?) for her language ability.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3wZSwFvZzqM/SrfH...3c1829772eb.jpg
jamacabre - September 23, 2009 11:53 PM (GMT)
It's just a digital pattern, they're not ACU colours:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showp...8&postcount=725You should've seen the Iranian ACUPAT rip offs, that was funny. (Though granted, it seems they were playing OPFOR, and not regular army, but that's interesting in its own right)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showp...1&postcount=432| QUOTE |
| If you ask for my honest opinions, this incident is just a classical example of a new immigrant/ expat, rubbing at the social and economical challenges faced by the natives, in the light of the recent large scale exodus of new immigrants. Probably, she is feeling smug and wants to show off that she can easily get citizenship of SG, while still being able to show her loyalty to PRC and that even if any natives were to see this, theres nothing they can do about it, as the govt of SG is a sucker for PRCians, in which they are revered to, like that of god in SG, being called 'FT'everywhere they go. |
And I do not understand the hate going around amongst locals (whatever that means) towards foreigners here. Are they seriously being treated as you say here?
LazerLordz - September 24, 2009 01:59 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jamacabre @ Sep 24 2009, 07:53 AM) |
It's just a digital pattern, they're not ACU colours: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showp...8&postcount=725You should've seen the Iranian ACUPAT rip offs, that was funny. (Though granted, it seems they were playing OPFOR, and not regular army, but that's interesting in its own right) http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showp...1&postcount=432| QUOTE | | If you ask for my honest opinions, this incident is just a classical example of a new immigrant/ expat, rubbing at the social and economical challenges faced by the natives, in the light of the recent large scale exodus of new immigrants. Probably, she is feeling smug and wants to show off that she can easily get citizenship of SG, while still being able to show her loyalty to PRC and that even if any natives were to see this, theres nothing they can do about it, as the govt of SG is a sucker for PRCians, in which they are revered to, like that of god in SG, being called 'FT'everywhere they go. |
And I do not understand the hate going around amongst locals (whatever that means) towards foreigners here. Are they seriously being treated as you say here?
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There is perceptible unhappiness over the extent of immigration into Singapore these days. It's impossible to deny that, and it has its roots in a over liberal immigration policy.
We're no different from any developed nation that has segments who are uncomfortable with the pace of immigration.
jamacabre - September 24, 2009 02:26 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (LazerLordz @ Sep 24 2009, 09:59 AM) |
There is perceptible unhappiness over the extent of immigration into Singapore these days. It's impossible to deny that, and it has its roots in a over liberal immigration policy.
We're no different from any developed nation that has segments who are uncomfortable with the pace of immigration. |
I suppose on some level this depends on the crowd one hangs out with, admittedly being rather detached from mainstream society (again, big generalisation, but what the heck) I cannot get an accurate feel of the breadth and depth of such sentiment. I certainly notice a lot more immigrants working service jobs here now than some years ago, but I'm not about to start making assumptions about them or their morals and motivations based just on their presence. Policy though, I can agree, needs some tightening, surely if such unhappiness is widespread, but at the same time I won't rule out the possibility of unreasonable grounds for discontent.
LazerLordz - September 24, 2009 02:44 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jamacabre @ Sep 24 2009, 10:26 AM) |
| QUOTE (LazerLordz @ Sep 24 2009, 09:59 AM) | There is perceptible unhappiness over the extent of immigration into Singapore these days. It's impossible to deny that, and it has its roots in a over liberal immigration policy.
We're no different from any developed nation that has segments who are uncomfortable with the pace of immigration. |
I suppose on some level this depends on the crowd one hangs out with, admittedly being rather detached from mainstream society (again, big generalisation, but what the heck) I cannot get an accurate feel of the breadth and depth of such sentiment. I certainly notice a lot more immigrants working service jobs here now than some years ago, but I'm not about to start making assumptions about them or their morals and motivations based just on their presence. Policy though, I can agree, needs some tightening, surely if such unhappiness is widespread, but at the same time I won't rule out the possibility of unreasonable grounds for discontent.
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It is true that it depends on the segment that one mixes with. The one common complaint that I hear often around me is usually the inability or perceived unwillingness of the PRC immigrants/workers to speak English in the service line.
Others might complain about job competition, depressed wages etc, but that's another segment altogether.
That said. even if the grounds for discontent are unreasonable, they are still manifestations of popular unhappiness, which policymakers have to take into account and perhaps this is slowly being taken up by the population secretariat folks right now?
LazerLordz - September 24, 2009 02:46 AM (GMT)
Anyway, maybe we should get back on-topic about the military parade itself.
bdique - September 24, 2009 03:40 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (LazerLordz @ Sep 24 2009, 10:46 AM) |
| Anyway, maybe we should get back on-topic about the military parade itself. |
90C reports that the US is keen to see if PLA will parade thier anti-ship ballistic missiles...
edwin3060 - September 26, 2009 02:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jamacabre @ Sep 24 2009, 07:53 AM) |
It's just a digital pattern, they're not ACU colours: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showp...8&postcount=725You should've seen the Iranian ACUPAT rip offs, that was funny. (Though granted, it seems they were playing OPFOR, and not regular army, but that's interesting in its own right) http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showp...1&postcount=432| QUOTE | | If you ask for my honest opinions, this incident is just a classical example of a new immigrant/ expat, rubbing at the social and economical challenges faced by the natives, in the light of the recent large scale exodus of new immigrants. Probably, she is feeling smug and wants to show off that she can easily get citizenship of SG, while still being able to show her loyalty to PRC and that even if any natives were to see this, theres nothing they can do about it, as the govt of SG is a sucker for PRCians, in which they are revered to, like that of god in SG, being called 'FT'everywhere they go. |
And I do not understand the hate going around amongst locals (whatever that means) towards foreigners here. Are they seriously being treated as you say here?
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Good point. The Iranian ACU ripoff is so similar in design and pattern to the US original!
Black Aces - September 29, 2009 01:11 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (edwin3060 @ Sep 26 2009, 10:22 PM) |
| ... The Iranian ACU ripoff is so similar in design and pattern to the US original! |
Damn ironic and Iranian double standards. The Tehran regime publicly curses and damn 'Great Satan' and yet they shamelessly borrow 'it's design! :blink: akin to a respectable religious leader who damns the devil and yet adopted the pair of horns as its own headgear!
dtwn - September 29, 2009 03:10 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Black Aces @ Sep 29 2009, 09:11 AM) |
| QUOTE (edwin3060 @ Sep 26 2009, 10:22 PM) | | ... The Iranian ACU ripoff is so similar in design and pattern to the US original! |
Damn ironic and Iranian double standards. The Tehran regime public curses and damn 'Great Satan' and yet they shamelessly borrow 'it's design! :blink: akin to a respectable religious leader who damns the devil and yet adopted the pair of horns as its own headgear!
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If jamacabre was right about the ACU colors being the colors for OPFOR, it doesn't seem all that odd. After all, the red force for US training used to use Soviet equipment as well. Not sure if they actually used the uniforms though.
edwin3060 - October 5, 2009 02:30 PM (GMT)
New update:
http://www.temasekreview.com/2009/10/05/su...-in-prc-parade/Seems like she is not a model, but a true, red blooded PRC patriot?