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 F15SG Eagles for RSAF
Callsign 24 Seira
Posted: Dec 5 2006, 08:57 PM


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Anybody know wat's the conversion period for pilots from Skyhawks to Eagles ?
hey...we also have the WSO unsure.gif


Just wish to have these Birds flying over soon......with the F15SG C/W AESA at least it will put up a good fight on the baddies..

Some F15 video clips to enjoy....


F-15 Air combat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9ExC96WOqU...related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRaCK8V_zjs...related&search=

F-15 Evening Demo At Langley 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMVF5yzDVvc...related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfJ7HrzYTfI...related&search=

F15 VS F16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyUWbftoWhU...related&search=


F15 flight with only one wing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3KI_sCx164

F 15 Fly By !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwNJnziiHwg...related&search=

F15 Crash on landing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpK-kJ9mmQ4

F15 Mid air collision
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMUwCQCa12I...related&search=



Japan Air Self Defense Force F-15 Agressor ACM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRlqF-syzpc...related&search=


Japan Air Self Defense Force iJASDFj F-15 & F-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn-8eVtdMNw...related&search=

Japan Air Self-Defense Force @(NYUTA Air base)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CMhc7-V-p4...related&search=





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Posted: Dec 5 2006, 10:10 PM


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So all F-15SG is a two seater eagle? I wonder if the American allow us to take up the optional trust vectoring engines which was tested on F-15.

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Posted: Dec 6 2006, 10:08 AM


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QUOTE (homing @ Dec 5 2006, 10:10 PM)
So all F-15SG is a two seater eagle? I wonder if the American allow us to take up the optional trust vectoring engines which was tested on F-15.

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yar all the F-15SG eagles are two seaters. there has never been any mention of single seat ones.
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Posted: Dec 6 2006, 10:55 AM


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QUOTE (Unimog52344 @ 06 DEC 2006)

QUOTE (Homing @ 05 DEC 2006)

So all F-15SG are two-seater Eagles...??? I wonder if the American allow us to take up the optional trust-vectoring engines which was tested on F-15.


Yar, all the F-15SG Eagles are two-seaters. There has never been any mention of single-seat ones.


Single-Seating can only be found on the F-15A and F-15C Eagles (Air-Superiority Fighters).
Ours are based on the F-15E Strike Eagle.

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LazerLordz
Posted: Dec 6 2006, 01:15 PM


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Those thrust-vector engines are sadly experimental.

If we manage to get them, I'm still not that confident that they might be reliable..


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Posted: Dec 6 2006, 03:41 PM


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Sorry LaserLordz, when you said experimental, do you mean F15 with thrust vectoring is experimental or the thrust vectoring is experimental? Becos' the Russians already have a jet powered by such engines right? And its the SU30 or Migs....sorry not too sure. But the Chinese are intending to buy or have bought them already and that's what's putting the F18s and F15s used by Japanese Air Force and USAF in danger of being overwhelmed right??


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QUOTE (Sayaret @ Dec 6 2006, 03:41 PM)
Sorry LaserLordz, when you said experimental, do you mean F15 with thrust vectoring is experimental or the thrust vectoring is experimental? Becos' the Russians already have a jet powered by such engines right? And its the SU30 or Migs....sorry not too sure. But the Chinese are intending to buy or have bought them already and that's what's putting the F18s and F15s used by Japanese Air Force and USAF in danger of being overwhelmed right??

The one on the F15 is a test.It was too expensive anyway.Cost as much as brand new f15 just to upgrade the normal F15 to that standard with canards and stuff.Might be cheaper with vectoring only though
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Posted: Dec 6 2006, 07:12 PM


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Trust vector nozzles fitted on F15 is only experimental. The last I read is that unless there is clear improvement and advantage for fitting such nozzles and the cost of R & D can be covered with sufficient demand then fitting such nozzle will become a reality.


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Posted: Dec 6 2006, 09:09 PM


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Pictures of the F15K

What the dif. wrt the F15SG ? Any MNs care to share?





ROKAF F-15K Super Eagle Walk Around

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/mu_yeol_...ndex.php?Page=1



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Posted: Dec 6 2006, 09:27 PM


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RSAF's F15SG is supposed to be replacement for the Skyhawk which role is Ground attack....does that means the paint work for F15SG will be the SEA camo ? unsure.gif yucks!



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Posted: Dec 6 2006, 09:32 PM


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QUOTE (Callsign 24 Seira @ Dec 6 2006, 09:27 PM)
RSAF's F15SG is supposed to be replacement for the Skyhawk which role is Ground attack....does that means the paint work for F15SG will be the SEA camo ?  unsure.gif    yucks!

I agree SEA camo sucks even on an A-4 skyshawk or any plane. Pray they dun paint the eagle that way.

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Posted: Dec 6 2006, 09:45 PM


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QUOTE (homing @ Dec 6 2006, 09:32 PM)
QUOTE (Callsign 24 Seira @ Dec 6 2006, 09:27 PM)
RSAF's F15SG is supposed to be replacement for the Skyhawk which role is Ground attack....does that means the paint work for F15SG will be the SEA camo ?   unsure.gif    yucks!

I agree SEA camo sucks even on an A-4 skyshawk or any plane. Pray they dun paint the eagle that way.

At least I'm not alone on that (SEA camo)


Anyway, we have MN's Kace who did a fantastic job on a F15SG model wif the SEA camo...check it out !

http://militarynuts.com/index.php?showtopic=538&st=15


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Posted: Dec 6 2006, 10:40 PM


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It will probrably be the same paint scheme as our F5s and F16s.
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Posted: Dec 6 2006, 11:22 PM


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Our Eagles have the more advanced V3 AESA radar as opposed to the ROK's. Possible Israeli avionics and EW suite if history is anything to follow by, as per the F-16Ds BLK52+. wink.gif


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Posted: Dec 7 2006, 08:27 AM


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Don't think the F-15s will be in SEA camo.

At least i hope not. biggrin.gif

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Posted: Dec 7 2006, 11:24 AM


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QUOTE (Callsign 24 Seira @ Dec 6 2006, 09:27 PM)
RSAF's F15SG is supposed to be replacement for the Skyhawk which role is Ground attack....does that means the paint work for F15SG will be the SEA camo ?...

The A-4s are in the SEA camo b'cos they need to fly low (for air support) and above the tree-lines (SEA terrain), therefore the SEA camo (but not sure on the sand colours) is to 'blend' them among the greenery and make them difficult to see by enemy fighters.

Therefore even though the F-15SGs are to replace the A-4s, the Eagles are not supposed to fly the same profile (down to the dirt). Given its superior nav and attack avionics/systems, the Eagles can perform (& even excel) the attack role from higher attitude (& still stike its target) as compared to A-4s that need to fly low to ensure accuracy.

Even though a SEA-camo F-15 does look refreshing, I strongly believe that the F-15SG will be in F-15E USAF-syle grey camo.

On the other hand, F-15Is that replaced the F-4s are in desert camo, it is not due that the F-15Is are low flyers but rather that Middle East skies tend to be less cloud cluster than in SEA. Therefore, the F-15I when view from above (in a clear sky) will stick out like a sore thumb if they are grey-coloured over a desert landscape.

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Yeah...agree...look at the MY Migs....standard grey.... But then again, it would be good to have one or two with more unique paints....like for example the aircrafts used to have a shark-mounth painting at the nose cone area....that would be refreshing!!


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Posted: Jan 15 2007, 03:55 AM


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Originally posted at this forum on 9 Nov 2004


USAF F 15E doctrine: Ingenious or Suicidal?

“……………………..It is inevitable that when you transform an aircraft meant for air to air combat into an attack aircraft, you would want to retain that air combat prowess and enjoy the best of both aspects. That is exactly what the USAF expects of the Boeing F 15E Strike Eagle - the ability to carry out attack roles adequately whilst retaining the combat capabilities of the charlie.

Current and future USAF doctrine wants to exploit this hybrid capability to the fullest by training and demanding the F 15Es "fighter their way into the target area, deploy their payloads and then fight their way out"

Is this perhaps a too ambitious doctrine on the part of the USAF? Especially in these days when air defences and available fighter planes are becoming extremely advanced and capable.

Whereas It is true that the F 15E has operated to these parameters during the Desert Storm and latter in Bosnia and Kosovo, these deployments were not truly valedictory given the fact that either enemy defences were either of low calibre or relatively non-existent at all. If USAF or other users of the attack version of the eagle plan for worst case scenarios, then they must plan to deploy the F 15Es in the face of a well equiped and well-trained adversary…………………………”

http://militarynuts.com/index.php?showtopic=190

Is the perception indicated by the above post still valid??

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Posted: Jan 15 2007, 09:19 AM


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Hi Callsign,

Well, it may be up to the Israelis to prove the air-to-air and air-to-ground capabilities of the F15s.....they would be the at the tip of the spear together with the F16s...plus of course other Israeli ingenious weapons...

But to be honest the plane is a good plane however way we see it cos RSAF wouldnt buy it if it wouldnt be able to match our varied current and mid to long term requirements given the planes that our neighbours are acquiring...

RSAF would have to really train our pilots well and allow them to have the best possible role models to train and learn from.... bw do u know if our pilots get to fly with the Israelis??


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