Singapore's SAM replacement

I have been reading from the inputs from fellow memebers on Singapore defence posture (on the thread about SAF being expeditionary in nature). I read from another link about SAF interest in the Russian S300 missile system. From these inputs, I wish to invite fellow members to discuss on possible replacements or upgrading of our current SAM defences, which I know includes Rapiers, Hawk, RBS 70, Mistral, Igla and 40mm AA guns. But compared to the newer systems that our Northern neighbour recently acquired, are ours outdated or lagging behind? I understand that our air defence is based on layered system whereby the most important would be the initial interception by our F5s. But going by how technology is progressing, I think or personally feel that we also need to upgrade the hardware, just to be fully sure that all aspects are covered. But as to the S300, is it true that Singapore did enquire about the system? Its more of an ABM right?

I think the Rapier and Hawk systems need to be replaced soon as they are one of the oldest in our inventory unless of course they are secretly being upgraded over time. Malaysia already have a newer version of Rapier which can deploy more missiles per system. As for what is suitable for their replacement i am not sure. I think as some ASEAN countries such as Vietnam have taken delievery or expressed intrest in Scud-like missile systems, getting a S300 or S400 system will be appropriate for Singapore.

S300 will bound tobe a nother technological transfer project between Singapore and Russia.

Meaning that its true that Singapore's interest in the S300 is true then....wow....I thought that the Patriot would be obvious choice but didn't expect the Russian system to be a serious contender. Is it really better than the Patriot ? With the purchase, it would mean that Singapore would have a ABM capability right? Would that spark off any arms race in the sense that becos we have that capability, we are secured in that aspect, meaning other countries would have to upgrade their offensive abilities in order to restore the "balance". Also, I always tot that we had the HAWK II SAM, but only just did I realize that it was the I-Hawk that we have.

But dont we have the ASTER system on the frigates for our Air defence?
Maybe it might be cheaper to get teh norwegian ground AMRRAM system

Those Asters are just for local air defense, especially so considering that the frigates seem to only carry Aster 15s.

I wonder why the fixation with S-300s when there are other SAMs around. NASAMS, VL-Mica and the SAMP-T which uses the Aster missile are just a few that come to mind. Sure, S-300s have great range, but range is hardly the be all and end all to a complete IADS.

It doesn't matter because the US have already completely withdrawn the Hawk. Even though there will be guranteed spare supplies, it is pretty obvious they have to start thinking about replacements.

Sorry guys, I am not too familiar with the Asters, but are they adaptable for land batteries? I mean the Asters so far is only mounted on the Frigates right? I have no particular preference for any systems, except that I am wondering what Singapore may adopt next and what that systems capabilities are etc. But isn't there an Israeli system which we may get? The Arrow might be an over-kill right? But that brings another question - would Singapore buy the Green Pine radar? Is our AA in need for an upgrade with the coming of better aircrafts such as the new SUs and MIGs?

S-300 with some Israeli modification?

But seriously, Russian SAMs are not to be sniffed at.They are getting better, and I dare say, some might be half a generation ahead of medium range US SAMs.

S300 with Israeli modification....good idea...perhaps it can be linked to the Green Pine radar??!!

Our air defence system, is it necessary to revamp it in part or in total? But in total it won't make sense, in part to make it even more secure would be better.

Any suggestions on the medium range systems that could possibly replace the current ones? (besides the Asters)

Affordability and best value for money, not to mention tech familiarity and possible tech transfer, would shortlist both the S-300 and the Aster 30.The latter being not much a full-fledged ABM but a theatre M-SAM.

What i meant is that if 1 of the frigates is patorlling or even in Singapore waters it's own defence system can provide us with a rather useful cover. If you're talking abt something that's moving with the front line troops then like i said it might be cheaper to use the norwegian NSAMRRAM(spelling?) which is the AIM-120 moded for land use.

I thought we have next Gen. Crotale replacing the Rapier?

With the short range of the Aster 15, coupled with the fact that since it is offshore, any targets presented would likely be crossing targets, I doubt they would work effectively as SAM site replacements. Were they to be equipped with Aster 30s, then there might be a chance of using them in that role.

Aniway, I thought ST came up with this super rapid fire AA guns based on the Sweden L70 design. Has it been in service. Any chance of it being CIWS for our ships or become some form of mobile AA gun on the M113?