Indonesia's TNI Modernisation Programs

JAKARTA, October 19 (RIA Novosti) - The Indonesian Navy plans to buy several modern diesel submarines from Russia, the Antara news agency said Thursday.

The agency quoted Navy Chief of Staff Admiral Slamet Soebijanto as saying that the decision to acquire four Kilo-class and two Amur 950 (Lada-class) submarines had been taken because of Russian-made submarines' advantage over their German and French equivalents in terms of reliability and cost.

The Navy sent a proposal to the Indonesian government in January to purchase 12 diesel submarines from Russia by 2024. First Admiral Abdul Malik Yusuf, the chief spokesman for the Indonesian Navy, said at the time that combat submarines were needed as strategic armaments, enabling the country to maintain security in its territorial waters.

Indonesia's leading magazine, Tempo, earlier said the country's navy has deployed two German-made submarines, although until recently the Indonesian submarine fleet was entirely composed of Soviet-made combat submarines.

The Amur 950 submarine is a smaller version of Project 677 or Lada-class diesel submarine, and is designed to operate in the littoral environment, in deep and shallow waters. The vessel features a new anti-sonar coating for the hull, an extended cruising range, and advanced anti-ship and anti-submarine weaponry, including the Club-S cruise missile system.




This post has been edited by Joe Black on Oct 19 2006, 11:56 PM

Abit confused here - the Amur sub and the Kilo subs are actually same right? Except that Amur is more advanced version, and the ones that Indonesia intends to get is the watered down version of the actual version the Russians are using for themselves. So is the actual version used by the Russians good? And this version which the Indonesians are getting, are they good too? Both as compared to the Scorpene, Challengers and the Gotlands, how to they match up?

I'm guessing it all depends on its AIP now. Diesel subs are awfully quiet. Quiet enough for hiding in noisy shallows. The question is, how long they can stay under on batteries.

no money for putting out the haze and yet got money to spend on arms! they still have face to ask for $$ for anti-haze ops!!!

Thats strange...the last time i checked they are planning to buy from the South Koreans...what ever happen to that plan?

Wah can be armed with Club-S cruise missiles. This means or signal Singapore should high time to get some cruise missile for it's armed forces by fair means or foul means.

decision to acquire four Kilo-class and two Amur 950 (Lada-class) submarines had been taken because of Russian-made submarines' advantage over their German and French equivalents in terms of reliability and cost.

you sure!!

the russians are known for selling platform cheap.. but charge an arm for the spareparts.

Did not know the Russian has any AIP developed. So probably just the conventional one.

Amur is the small version of kilo.

What they did not say is probably Russian is keen on batter trade.

Submarines are high maintenance items which need care to maintain their low acoustic profile. Judging by how badly neglected their fleet was just a few years back, I'm not sure that even if they carry out this purchase we need to be overly concerned? IMO, if they had so much money to spend on subs, they'd do better to spend it on more OPVs to solve their piracy problem.

I prefer they spend more money on solving the haze and piracy issues than getting offensive weapon systems.

Indonesia to buy 4 Israeli drones via Philippine company, official says

The Associated Press
Published: October 22, 2006

JAKARTA, Indonesia Indonesia will purchase four Israeli unmanned planes, or drones, through a Filipino distributor, a Defense Ministry official said Sunday.

Indonesia chose the Israeli Searcher Mark II drones after receiving 42 offers since February, including from companies in the Philippines, Russia and the Netherlands, ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Edy Butar Butar said.

The ministry chose Philippines-based Kital Philippines Corp. which will also supply a command post, controlling equipment, infrared cameras and heat-tracking device, Butar Butar said.

No financial details were disclosed. Israeli drone manufacturers declined comment.

The deal was a surprise to some because Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, has long supported Palestinian independence efforts and does not have diplomatic relations with Israel.................

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/22/...rael_Drones.php

This post has been edited by gary1910 on Oct 23 2006, 05:46 PM

Hi all, am really curious how do the Amur and Kilo subs that the Indonesians are intending to get measure up to our Challengers and Vastergotlands? Besides the lack of AIP, the anit-sonar coating and other aspects...are they better than ours? Also, if the actual Amur were to be gotten, not the watered down version being bought, would it be a match for us? Sub to sub that is...

from a technical point of view, the kilo class SSK are very capable platforms. when iran took delivery of theirs, the USN deployed one of their subs to observe the delivery. current generation submarines technology is equals to tat of the early generation LA class subs. their SSK designs are pretty on par with SSKs produced by the Germans and the swedish. however, with the indonesian purchase, the indonesians will most probably be facing the same problems as the indians faced when they purchased their kilo class subs. the original design of the sub was for cold water operations not tropical operations. the indians took a number of years to correct the problems. indonesia with a severe budget problem will be unable to correct the problems. most probably, their new subs will face serious operational problems when delivered.

Ahh...weakness.. or at least a leak which RSN can exploit to gain advantage over.. But supposing they get those sorted out, how would their subs measure up against ours? Afterall ours are pretty old, this is despite the fact that one of our Challengers actually got thru USN defense of a carrier. I suppose besides hardware, training would be a very determining point too.