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 Navies involved in maritime disputes in Asia, Spratly Islands, Senkaku etc
Sayaret
Posted: Oct 12 2012, 10:59 AM


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Am intending to come up with some comparsion (on paper) on the various naval assets of the various parties involved:

South Korea:

170 ships and 70 aircrafts

Japan:

4 Helicopter destroyers
8 Destroyers
30 Frigates
6 Frigates (light)
21 Submarines

Taiwan:
4 Destroyers
22 Frigates
8 Minesweepers
2 Dock Landing Ships
9 Tank Landing Ships
4 Submarines

PRC:




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Posted: Oct 12 2012, 11:41 AM


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Haze Gray used to publish a list of vessels for all navies but hasn’t been updated for that long. I'll contribute to the list for PRC.

CV (1): 16 Liaoning
DD (23): 4x956EM, 2x052C (2 more commission this year -pennant 150, 151, 4 more to be commissioning 2013-2014 (pennant 152,153, 172, 173), more consutructing possibly 052D), 2x052B, 2x051C, 1x051B, 2x052, 10x051 (out of 17, others may be relegating to other services)
FF (46): 12x054A (4-6 building, pennant 572,531,573,532,574,575), 2x054, 10x053H3, 4x053H2G, 6x053H2, 1x053HTH, 3x053G2G, 8x053H1, 14x053H (~only counted ~19 Jianghus in service. Being relegated or decommissioned).
OPV (~120): 60-80x022
Subs (~57-61): 4-8x041 (includes launches, more building), 16x039, 2x877, 10x636, 16x035, 2-4x093, 2x092, 1x091, 2-4x094
LPD (3): 071: 989, 998, 999
LST/LSM (~80)
a few hundred LCT/LCM + 4 zubrs on order

And our FPDA friends.

New Zealand:
2 Anzac FFGs, 1 fleet tanker, 1 amphibious support, 1 diving support, 4xInshore PV, 2 OPV
http://www.navy.mil.nz/visit-the-fleet/overview/default.htm

Australia:
4 Adelaide FFG (+2 decommissioned), 8 Anzac FFH, 14 Armidale PB, 6 Huon MHC, 1Tobruk LSH, 1 Bay LSD, 6 LCH, 2 AOR, 2 AGS, 4 AGSC, 6 Collins SSG
Future: 3 Hobart AWD DDG, 2 Canberra LHD
http://www.navy.gov.au/fleet/ships-boats-craft

Malaysia:
2 Scorpene SS (+1 Agosta training) – Kapal Selam Skn, 2 Lekiu FF – Skn 23 (+1 more training FF – Skn 21), 2 Kasturi Corvette - Skn 22, 4 Laksamana Corvette – Skn 24 , 6 Kedah OPV – Skn 17 (+6 more OPV planned), 4 Handalan (Spica) FAC – Skn 1, 4 Perdana (Combattante II) FAC – Skn 1&6, 6 Jerong (TNC45) FAC – Skn 6 , 2 Musytari OPV, 20+ PCs, 4 Mahamiru (Lerici) MCMV – SKN 26, Skn 31 MPCSS, Skn 36 Hydro. MMEA: 70+ vessels.
http://www.navy.mil.my/

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Posted: Oct 13 2012, 05:18 PM


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Vietnam navy

Frigates :7
Gepard 3.9 class X 2
Petya class X 5


Subs (6 on order: Kilo 636 class)


Corvettes and Missile boats (40 in Service)
Molniya class X 2 (4 under construction 10 to be built in Vietnam)
Tarantul-I class X 6
BPS-500 Pauk class X 2
Sigma class corvette X 0 (X 4 on order)
Svetlyak class X 6
Osa class X 8
Turya class X 10
Shershen class X 4


Amphibious warfare ship
Polnochny class X 5

Others
Trường Sa class X 5
K-122 class X 1
Giao su Vien si Tran Dai Nghia X 1

It seems no one in MN wants to post about the Philippines navy......! laugh.gif It is still slightly better than the Somali pirates after 65 years of service since 1947! blink.gif


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Posted: Oct 16 2012, 01:53 PM


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And there is also the Royal Brunei Navy (as part claimant in the Spratley Islands)

OPVs: 3
Corvettes: 4
Guided Missile Patrol Crafts: 3
Inshore Patrol Boats: 3
Landing Crafts: 4
Patrol Boats: 40




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Posted: Oct 16 2012, 01:58 PM


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F2000 (Nakhoda Ragam) class corvettes is counted part of RBN or not despite having no crews officially and commissioning? It is fully paid by Brunei already anyway just wait for a buyer to bite.

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Posted: Nov 5 2012, 01:02 PM


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For the Chinese, they have at their disposal extra hulls under the guise of Marine Survelliance and Fisheries Law Enforcement departments.....in fact they frequently use these ships to enter into Japanese territorial waters (not just the disputed waters but Okinawan waters)

Chinese actions have been described by analysts as trying to wear down the Japanese resolve to enforcing their claims on the disputed islands and also strengthening their own claims and stand on the dispute.

However, the Japanese aren't push overs too...

The JCG operates 455 watercraft, these include the following:

Patrol Vessels: 121
Patrol craft: 234
Special guard and rescue craft: 63
Hydrographic survey vessels: 13
Aids to navigation evaluation vessels: 1
Buoy tenders: 2
Aids to navigation tenders: 18
Training boats: 3

The JCG operates 73 aircraft, these include:

Fixed Wing 27
Helicopters 46

In fact both sides (China and Japan) have reportedly plans or already started increasing their number of such non-naval (combat) vessels for the purpose of enforcing or patrolling their territorial waters.



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Posted: Nov 21 2012, 01:45 PM


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Though the subject is "Navies involved in maritime disputes in Asia", I thought it was probably appropriate to include other stakeholders or potential stakeholders:

1) US Navy - Pacific Fleet
2) Indian Navy
3 Australian Navy


1) US Navy Pacific Fleet consists of 3rd fleet and 7th fleet which consists of approximately 200 ships, 2000 aircrafts and 250000 men and women (information extracted from global security website)



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Posted: Nov 21 2012, 03:41 PM


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List of Asia deployments for USAF/USN/USMC

USAF
13 FS 35 FW Misawa F-16
14 FS 35 FW Misawa F-16
44 FS 18 FW Kadena F-15
67 FS 18 FW Kadena F-15
25 FS 51 FW Osan A-10
36 FS 51 FW Osan F-16
35 FS 8 FW Kunsan F-16
80 FS 8 FW Kunsan F-16

USMC
242 VMFA 1 MAW Okinawa F-18C/D (to be converted to F-35B)
115 VMFA 1 MAW Okinawa F-18C/D
212 VMFA 1 MAW Okinawa F-18C/D

USN
VFA-27 CAW 5 George Washington F-18E/F
VFA-102 CAW 5 George Washington F-18E/F
VFA-115 CAW 5 George Washington F-18E/F
VFA-195 CAW 5 George Washington F-18C/D

Total PAA (276):
24xA10, 48xF-15, 84xF-18, 120xF-16.

USN 7th fleet forward deployment:
http://www.c7f.navy.mil/forces.htm

Yokosuka: CVN73 (George Washington), LCC19, CG63, CG67 (Aegis BMD 3.6), DDG54 (Aegis BMD 3.6), DDG56 (Aegis BMD 3.6), DDG62 (Aegis BMD 3.6), DDG63 (Aegis BMD 3.6), DDG82, DDG85, DDG89,
Sasebo: LHD6, LPD9, LSD46, LSD42 MCM sqn 7, MCM1, 2, 5 & 7
Guam: AS40, SSN723, SSN715, SSN721 (all LA class)

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Posted: Nov 21 2012, 05:52 PM


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3) Australian Navy

54 ships - inclusive of 6 submarines

3 squadrons of aircrafts

16,000 sailors

(extracted from Wikipedia)



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Posted: Nov 22 2012, 08:57 AM


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The breakdown of RAN is in post 2 of this thread with the link to their navy website.

Summary on India navy:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Ships/A...t-Strength.html

Or the official website:
http://www.indiannavy.nic.in/naval-fleet/ships

In service Nov 2012 (137 platforms): 1 SSN, 14 SS, 1 CV, 8 DDG, 15 FF/FFG, 24 Corvette, 6 OPV, 24 FAC, 1 LPD, 5 LST, 4 LSM, 6 LCU, 6 Minesweeper, 3 tanker, 19 aux.

Classed as name (prefix INS), pennant, commission date
Centaur class CV (ex Hermes)
Viraat R22 Apr 1986

Delhi class DDG
Mysore D60 4 Jun 1993
Delhi D61 15 Nov 1997
Mumbai D62 22 Jan 2001

Rajput class (Russian Kashin II) DDG
Rajput D51 30 Sep 1980
Rana D52 28 Jun 1982
Ranjit D53 24 Nov 1983
Ranvir D54 28 Oct 1986
Ranvijay D55 15 Jan 1877

Shivalik "stealth" class FFG
Shivalik F47 29 Apr 2010
Satpura F48 20 Aug 2011
Sahyadri F49 21 Jul 2012

Talwar (mod Russian Krivak III) FFG
Talwar F40 18 Jun 2003
Trishul F43 25 Jun 2003
Tabar F44 19 Apr 2004
Teg F45 27 Apr 2012
Tarkash F50 12 Nov 2012

Brahamaputra class FFG
Bhramaputra F31 14 Apr 2000
Beas F37 11 Jul 2005
Betwa F39 14 Apr 2000

Godavari class FFG
Godavari F20 10 Dec 1983
Gomati F21 16 Apr 1988
Ganga F22 30 Dec 1985

Nilgiri class FF (ex leander)
Taragiri F41 16 May 1980

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Posted: Nov 22 2012, 09:14 AM


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India navy continued:

4x Kora class corvette
Kora F61 10 Aug 1998
Kurch F62 22 Jan 2001
Kulish F63 20 Aug 2001
Karmuk F64 4 Feb 2004

4x Khukri class corvette
Kirpan P44 12 Jan 1991
Kuthar P47 7 Jun 1990
Khanjar P46 22 Oct 1991
Khukri P49 23 Aug 1989

12 x Veer class missile corvette
Veer K40 26 Mar 1987
Nirbhik K41 21 Dec 1987
Nipat K42 5 Dec 1988
Nishank K43 12 Sep 1989
Nirghat K44 15 Dec 1989
Vibhuti K45 3 Jun 1991
Vipul K46 16 Mar 1992
Vinash K47 20 Nov 1993
Vidyut K48 16 Jan 1995
Nashak K83 29 Dec 1996
Pralaya K91 18 Dec 2002
Prabal K92 11 Apr 2002

4x Abhay class (Russian Pauk) corvette
Abhay P33 10 Mar 1989
Ajay P34 24 Jan 1990
Akshay P35 10 Dec 1990
Agray P36 30 Jan 1991

6x Sukanya class OPV
2x Trinket class FAC
6x T80 class FAC
4x Bangaram class FAC
10x Car nicobar class FAC
2x SDB FAC

1x Austin class LPD
3x Shardul class LST(L)
2x Magar (UK Sir Lancelot design) class LST(L)
4x Kumbhir (Polish Polnocny variant) class LST(M)
6x LCU(Mk3) class LCU
1x Pondicherry class minesweeper
6x Karwar class minesweeper
3x Fleet tanker (deepak, jyoti, aditya)
2x Torpedo recovery vessel
2x Ocean tug
1x Diving support ship
8x Sandhayak class survey ship
1x Makar class survey ship
1x Tir class training vessel
3x sailboat training vessels
1x Sagardhwani class research vessel
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Posted: Nov 22 2012, 09:18 AM


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India submarine fleet
http://www.indiannavy.nic.in/naval-fleet/submarines-service

1x Chakra (ex Akula) class SSN
Chakra S71 4 Apr 2012

10x Sindhughosh (Russian Kilo 877EKM) class SS
Sindhugosh S55 30 Apr 1986
Sindhudhvaj S56 12 Jun 1987
Sindhuraj S57 20 Oct 1987
Sindhuvir S58 26 Aug 1988
Sindhuratna S59 22 Dec 1988
Sindhukesari S60 16 Feb 1989
Sindhukirti S61 4 Jan 1990
Sindhuvijay S62 8 Mar 1991
Sindhurakshak S63 24 Dec 1997
Sindhurashtra S65 19 Jul 2000

4x Shishumar (German type 1500) class SS
Shishumar S44 22 Sep 1986
Shankush S45 20 Nov 1986
Shalki S46 7 Feb 1992
Shankul S47 28 May 1994
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Is India involved in any Asia Maritime dispute currently?


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Posted: Nov 22 2012, 09:26 AM


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QUOTE (blowpipe @ Nov 22 2012, 09:22 AM)
Is India involved in any Asia Maritime dispute currently?

Yes. It has interest in South China sea including joint oil exploration with certain ASEAN members.
WSJ article
Article on India interest in SCS

In 2011, one of its navy vessels had an incident with China
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_india...-report_1582481

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QUOTE (weasel1962 @ Nov 22 2012, 09:26 AM)
QUOTE (blowpipe @ Nov 22 2012, 09:22 AM)
Is India involved in any Asia Maritime dispute currently?

Yes. It has interest in South China sea including joint oil exploration with certain ASEAN members.
WSJ article
Article on India interest in SCS

In 2011, one of its navy vessels had an incident with China
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_india...-report_1582481

Not just the South China Sea.

Existing disputes exist in the Bay of Bengal, between India and Bangladesh.

http://www1.american.edu/ted/ICE/taplatti.html

However, the good news is the dispute between Bangladesh and Myanmar was resolved earlier this year through the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). To me, it provides a template for resolution, but something the Chinese will obviously never accept.

http://www.internationallawobserver.eu/201...undary-dispute/
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we should also include the Northern Limit Line dispute between North and South Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Limit_Line)

Ambalat dispute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambalat) between Indonesia and Malaysia

East Timor dispute (http://www.etan.org/issues/tsea/plainfact.htm)

one should also consider the existing status of the Kuril islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands_dispute)


and the common thread in all these are resources (with the exception of the NLL). no lack of flashpoints.
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Posted: Nov 28 2012, 11:08 AM


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Korea navy in more detail...

http://www.navy.mil.kr/english/sub_guide/s...?menu=3&smenu=2

3 x Son Won-il class (type 214) SS (more under construction)
9 x Changbogo class (type 209) SS
1 x Dokdo class LPH
3 x Aegis/Sejongdaewang class (under construction) DDH-III
6 x Chungmugong Yi Sunshin class DDH-II
3 x Gwanggaetodaewang class DDH-I
FFX (Incheon class under construction)
9 x Ulsan class FF
21 x Pohang class PCC (Patrol Combat Corvette)
9 x Yoon Youngha class PKG (more under construction)
75 x Chamsuri class PKM (Fast attack craft)
4 x Gojunbong class LST
3 x Solgae 621 class (Murena-E) LSF
2 x Solgae 631 / LSF-II class LSF
1 Wonsan class MLS
3x Yangyang class MSH
6x Ganggyeong class MHC
1x Chenghaejin class ASR (submarine rescue)
2x Pyongtaek class ATS (salvage & rescue ship)
3 x Cheonji class AOE (combat support ship)
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Posted: Dec 4 2012, 05:54 PM


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India claims navy will intervene in South China Sea if required.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/indian-n...required-300388
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Posted: Dec 6 2012, 11:03 AM


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Things are going to heat up very very fast....next month could see or would see actions between some of the navies mentioned here....PLAN vs Philippines would be top of the board... perhaps with USN at the background??

I'll try to get some infor on what assets the Chinese have within reach of this area of dispute (as in based within this vicinity) vs what the Philippines would be assembling



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Posted: Dec 14 2012, 11:56 AM


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Looks like we dont have to wait till January 2013 to see some "happenings" in the maritime disputes.... the Chinese have up the ante in their dispute with Japan.

Reports yesterday of Chinese aircraft flying into Japanese airspace + reports of Chinese assets actually disputing the Japanese authorities call for them to leave Japanese territorial waters/airspace by claiming that the Japanese leave Chinese territorial waters/airspace....

So blatanly are the Chinese in their actions....its reported that the Chinese flight was to achieve some sort of "normal" flight path....by testing the Japanese resolve, they hope to create some sort of "grey" area in having their aircrafts start and continue flying into Japanese airspace thereby creating a "norma" routine flight path theory.....

The Japanese scarmbled 8 F15s......lets see what the PLAAF is going to do next....wont be surprised if PLAAF sends their "indigenious" J10s or J11s or J12s etc
or perhaps a bomber or 2??


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